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@Silvia Fysch So awesome! Over time, I discovered where I can fudge things, what techniques work for recovering from mistakes, and what the future bread should look like at the different stages of the process. Stir into the flour. At some point after the steam phase is done, I open the oven and yank out the parchment, which is easy once the loaf has cooked a little (there's a video with Jim Lahey doing this with a cloche). Now, for a few more days, you will need to do this process twice a day until the starter is alive and bubbling a few hours after it has been fed. In practice, the opposite is frequently the case. Kim - I've used an Emile Henry round stone, for pizza in a regular oven. I was very pleased with my results! This works great and neatly stacks up when I want to put it away. The result? Sourdough cream. I've been learning how to make sourdough bread over the past few months, mainly following the Tartine Bread book as well as Ken Forkish's "Flour, Water, Salt, Yeast". Making individual side dishes or a complete meal – the steam oven can cope with all this and more. Add the starter into the bowl, attach the dough hook and knead on a medium speed for one minute. I started to type before your reply sunk it. Detailed information about the use of cookies on this website can be obtained by clicking on "More information". Kim - thanks again for your suggestions. Please share! (The exact program I use is in an earlier post.). I've been baking exclusively sourdough using Hamelman's recipes for both rye and wheat loaves. I’ve used the following method a couple of times with success. Thanks, Kim! Thanks everyone for contributing to this thread! Repeat this process for a total of 5 days always with the jar uncovered. Steam oven? You will likely need to try some different combinations to a see what works best for your oven and sour dough formula. Create your dream kitchen with essential expert advice that will inspire. I do need to try again! Doug - here are my thoughts. Fast forward to COVID and I've got an active levain starter and am working at home and am finding so much joy in bread making, with time/schedule to fiddle around, take notes and beyond. I also tried pizza stone with similar results, Score the dough - while preheating and just before bread goes into the oven. Your loaf looks great!!! I left my sourdough on a floured dish towel with a salad spinner basket overnight for proving (not a baker). When done this way, I don't notice a benefit of spritzing (which I did notice when I was using Surround for the first stage). I've been experimenting with skipping the Surround step I posted above, and finishing with Convection bake -- still settling on something which works. At this point, and if you’re not going to bake bread on a daily basis, you can keep your starter in the fridge and feed it once a week to keep it alive. But you can go to any metal fabricator and ask for a remnant that would fit in your oven. I slide it onto a baking steel, and I slip the parchment out (grabbing it with fingers) once the 100% steam is done. This process is called autolyse and helps to hydrate the flour particles therefore making it much easier to knead afterwards. This early in the baking process, the bulk of the dough is bound to be cold anyway. With the Bluestar, I frequently use a cast iron Dutch Oven to control moisture more precisely. And not only can you taste this in every meal, it has actually been proven in tests too. The process might seem a little long to start with but it’s extremely rewarding and it’s almost magical how just by combining flour and water and waiting a few days you can make such lovely bread. Where are you finding this on your Miele CSO?? Knead the dough for 2–3 min. Buyers guide. I consistently use a stone but I’m not convinced that makes a big difference. This is a different method to what bread bakers recommend. I use the Tartine 75%ish hydration dough. Making individual side dishes or a complete meal – the steam oven can cope with all this and more. Then no steam for another 25 minutes. Miele steam combi oven offers a wealth of exciting possibilities. The first photo is after 2 minutes -- oven spring was just starting. Allow to cool for at least an hour before slicing. Crumb and texture turned out surprisingly well. I think 35 min is a long time for steam. But I'm wondering if a steel/stone is needed at all for sourdough breads. I intend in trying this again, and was wondering if anyone else has had success this way. I'm assuming the humidity dropped too, but the oven doesn't tell me. At least on the Miele. That didn't work so well with an experimental fruit version. Not the 475-500 degrees usually recommended. All you need to do is drop a spoonful into a bowl of cold water, if it floats, you can make the dough, and if it doesn’t, leave the starter uncovered a little longer until ready. Allow the bone marrow to cool. Leave to one side. But then life happened and mistakes were made. ), I'm happy with the consistent results. Here I set up an overturned 10” skillet. No wonder steam cooking is becoming increasingly popular. I'm notorious for burning myself on food entry/exit. It's not as if the entire loaf immediately jumps 200°F higher once you place it in the oven. But the purpose of this bake is for me to see if a more vigorous starter will help produce more holes in my bread. As is so often the case, we have chance to thank for the creation of a new type of food. I experience the same temp drop. Here's what I'm doing now. For baking stone I use two layers of 9 4 inch ceramic tiles that I had left over from tiling my kitchen. I have two slow proofing loaves of round loves (Forkish, Field Blend 2) in the fridge that I need to cook up before they overproof. I have not seen any noticeable different in my loaves doing this. My bread technique still needs work, but I've had a few come out wonderfully. My steel doesn't fit in the Gagg which is much smaller than my Lacanche oven, so here's what I ended up doing for 2 baguettes: - used lodge cast iron flat griddle that did fit as 'stone', -Preheated oven for 45 min at 450 (the highest it goes), 0% steam, -Added 100% steam for last 10 minutes of preheat, -Baked 20 min 450 w/100% steam (slid in on parchment), -Based 15 min 450 w/o steam for baguette 1 and 20 min for baguette 2. And that's why you pick a combination steam oven, not just a regular oven that can inject an uncontrolled amount of steam at some time. I'm not well read on this at the moment, though. DGC 6760 10265740 5299.0 Miele Steam cookers Clean Touch Steel 9 /e/steam-oven-with-full-fledged-oven-function-and-xxl-cavity-dgc-6760-clean-touch-steel-10265740-p Steam cookers Show details DGC 6860 AM 10221000 5299.0 Miele Steam cookers Brilliant white 10 /e/steam-oven-with-full-fledged-oven-function-and-xxl-cavity-dgc-6860-am-brilliant-white-10221000-p Steam cookers If the temperature and humidity is just off by a tiny amount within the first couple of minutes I have a hard time seeing how this would make a reliable difference in the final product. When I have used convection for that last bake I found my crust is not crackly crunchy but soft/chewy. I've been having great results using surround without convection 435 degrees with 100% steam for 10 minutes and then finish baking at either 435 or 400 (certain doughs get too dark at 435). 1. 3. Normally I bake in a ditch oven 20 mins with a lid on 25 with the lid off at 450. I'm not sure any of this matters -- does anyone know? I can also confirm that cooking without a baking steel (instead, on a thin pre-heated baking sheet), does result in less oven spring. I'm new in baking. On occasion I will retard the bread and put it in cold. I’m going to bake tomorrow and might use the maxi broil function. 100g active starter (see our guide below on how to make this). Please excuse my senior moment in asking a question that you'd already answered. By the time I put the stone/loaf back in - it needs to drop 10 degrees so the time to get back up to 425 is minimal for me. In the end, with any oven it's all trial and error. 2. Grease the baking tray and the drip tray from the steam oven and dust with flour. Miele oven with steam injection . I may though give parchment a try and see how it turns out. Artisan bread comes in many varieties such as Gluten Free, Sourdough and Walnut Loaf, and you can bake endless variations from your kitchen by adding grains, seeds, nuts and spices to the flour and water mixture. I have become rather efficient at getting the stone in/out quickly. Does anyone know? You need to oil and season it regularly because the moisture will rust the steel. Experience? Combined Food52 no knead and Claire Saffitz recipes with the regimen above @Doug: first, 435F, 0% humidity, for 30 min and 500F lower oven for Miele freebie cast iron (don’t own a stone 😬) and after 25 min, loaded cast iron into Miele; then, 435F, 100% humidity, for 23 min; next, 435F, 0% humidity, for 15 min; and finally, 10 min oven off and door cracked. I’m also interested in any suggestions on which brand of steam oven to purchase, etc. Excited to try again. It got up to ~500F (I used a temperature gun). It has been working well, and I like it better than a stone, more heat retention, better spring, etc. Huruta - Thanks! I use the Forkish book and have for several years. Hello, I have had my Miele steam combination oven for 5 years now but never baked any bread in it. 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